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Dear Friends,

I browsed through your site and I am very interested in the name and history of Ikrimah ibn Aji Jahl.
First of all, it is very import
ant for us to have the references of old manuscripts etc mentioning the name of Ikrimah ibn Aji Jahl, which is the son of Jahl ibn Hisham, (Quraish-Mecca), etc. etc.

In the meantime please visit our site called: www.sharifian-history.ino

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Ref: Article transmitted by: Abi Haatim, Al Darmi & Al Baihaqui from homepage: (ntlworld.com/farrukh/ia /wworking.htm) subject: Umm Hakim, wife of Ikrimah ibn Aji Jahl history on: Working women during Islam & etc.

& Imam Mohamed Baianonie

Dear Sir,

Please indicate to me a reference/manuscript or Coranic text etc. to reference to Ikrimah ibn Aji Jahl where especially Aji is mentioned as written in your researches. Exp: Muslim Women; Lulua, 14.08.2002, www.myiwc.com/forums/search .php?searchid=82665; www.norislam.com, Halima, 20.01.2005; www.Forum.mpacuk.org/showthread .php?t=31022&page=6, (thehook), 08.01.2008 in Muslim Discussion Forum; www.crescentlife.com/thisthat /feminist%20muslims/working _women_during_early_islam.htm etc. etc.

I look forwards to hear from you and remain,

Sincerely yours,

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Om_Mohammed
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Ikrimah ibn Abi Jahl
Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.

Greetings and good day to all.

Special note to Mrs. D. Berry, as well as for all those interested:

As I noticed a request for information and/or reference to a previously published topic on these forums in another forum/thread, I have opted to open it up here in it's own thread for sake of simplicity in trying to keep the threads to their stated title/subject matter.

The said topic I am referring to is that of "Ikrimah ibn Abi Jahl", as there was apparently a short reference to him in a post from the past on these boards.

The quoted or referred-to post had no reference as to it's source, as it appears that it came thru some other already-posted material on some other boards or perhaps thru the email. After doing a search of this name (Ikrijmah ibn Abi Jahl), I have located that very same information, and so will include it's source reference here as well.

I hope that this will help.

Om Mohammed.


#2
06-06-2008, 14:47
Om_Mohammed
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Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.

Greetings and good day to all.

To begin with, before I post the results of my search, I would like to touch ground on the name. First of all, I noticed in the request from Mrs. D. Berry in another thread, as well as the post containing his name in yet another thread, there is a mis-spell in the name. It was even asked by Mrs. D. Berry to clarify the title of "Aji". The name, mis-spelled, appears as: "Ikrimah ibn Aji Jahl".

The true spelling of this should be: "Ikrimah ibn Abi Jahl". Simple typo. But big difference.

To explain meaning of the name, "ikrimah" is a form of the arabic word "karim", which means or refers to "generous" or "generosity". So, "Ikramah" would indicate "a generous person" or "a generous one".

"ibn" is the arabic term to indicate "son of...". So, you will notice that "ibn" will follow the first name, indicating that this person is "so and so" son of "so and so".

"Abi" is an arabic term indicating "father of...". So, when we see the name "Abi Jahl", it is to be translated "father of Jahl". As per arab and islamic traditions, "Abi Jahl" was more or less a tribe or large family.

So, "ikrimah" was the son of Abi Jahl. Ikrimah ibn abi jahl. (*note, it is not correct to say 'aji jahl'.).

And Allah knows best.

Om Mohammed.


#3
06-06-2008, 14:50
Om_Mohammed
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Assalaamu alaikum.

Now...after having given the intro concerning Ikrimah's name, will now post some of the results from the search on him.

Hope this helps. You can easily do your own search. Simply type the name: Ikrimah ibn Abi Jahl, and then click the search button.

Om Mohammed.

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Working Women: early Muslim women who would work
Busra bint Uzwan (ra) was the sister of Utbah bin Uzwan al-Mazini, the famous companion, the governor of Basra (in Iraq). According to the author, Busra hired Abu Huraira (ra) and he was her employee during the time of the Prophet. Later she married him, after Marwan succeeded him [as administrator] over Madinah. [Al Isaba fi Tamyiz al Sahaba, by Ibn Hajar al Asqalani]

Introduction
“Those scholars who study the role of women in Islam will notice that throughout the different periods of history, women were actively engaged in every field of endeavour, be it politics, government, or learning. Women were NOT confined, as some have assumed, to mothering and household occupations” [Salah al-Din al-Munajjid]

Nafisa bint al-Hasan (d. 208/824) taught hadith to Imam ash-Shafi'i.

Ibn Hajar mentioned 12 women who were musnida (transmitters of collection of traditions). He studied with 53 women.

Ibn Asakir al-Dimashqi (499-571) took hadith from 1,300 male shaykh and 80-odd female shaykha.

“As far back as the third/ninth century, al-Jihaz described these active women by saying, 'The kings and nobility had bondswomen who undertook all kinds of daily responsibilities joining the workforce or staff of the diwans. There were women who attended to the affairs of the people, such as Khalisah, the maid of al-Khayzuran; and Utbah, the maid of Titah, daughter of Abu al-Abbas al-Saffah; and Sukkar and Turkiyah, the maids of Umm Jafar. Furthermore, women appeared in public stylishly dressed and nobody decried that or reproached it' “ [Amr ibn Bahr al-Jihaz, Rasail]

Women Farmers
Sahl ibn Sa'd, a companion of the Prophet mentioned a woman who had her own farm. She used to cultivate beets and barley to feed the companions of the Prophet with it after Friday prayer.

The daughter of Abu Bakr, Asma', mentioned that when she was married to Zubair, they did not have wealth. The Prophet gave them some land about two miles away from their home. She used to farm and transport the produce herself.

Asma' bint Abu Bakr reported, "One day I was coming back with date stones on my head. Then I met the Prophet with some people from Madinah. He asked me to ride with him on his camel's back."

It was apparent that farming was independently done by women. Moreover, they transported farm produce. If they had modern trucks, trains, ships and planes, Asma' and other women would have used them rather than carrying the goods on their heads.

Women Traders
Quite a few women companions of the Prophet were engaged in trading. Khadija, the Prophet's first wife, is the most famous example. Other women such as Khaula, Lakhmia, Thaqafia, and Bint Makhramah traded perfumes.

A companion named Quila said to the Prophet, "I am a woman who buys and sells things." Then she asked several questions about buying and selling.

Clearly, business was a legitimate activity of the women companions of the Prophet.

The wife of 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud met her expenses by manufacturing and selling handicrafts.

These able ladies may be compared to modern women who craft computer chips and other high technology equipment and appliances, or to women bioengineers who design artificial limbs, hearts and respirators.

Saudah, the Prophet's wife, was an expert in tanning skins. She sold her tanned goods to trading caravans and local men throughout Medina.

Women Surgeons
Rufaidah Aslamiyyah was an expert in medicine and surgery. She used to tend to the sick and wounded in the battlefields. According to Ibn Sa'd, her tent was equipped with equipment for surgery and first aid. When Sa'd ibn Mu'adh was injured in the Battle of the Trenches, the Prophet transferred him to her tent for medical care.

Other women experts in medicine and surgery were Umm Muta', Umm Kabashah, Hamnah bint Jahsh, Mu'adhah, Laila, Umaimah, Umm Zaid, Umm 'Atiyyah, and Umm Sulaim.

Rubayyi' bint Mu'awwaidh ibn 'Afra was a great companion of the Prophet. She tended to the wounded and sick and supplied water to the thirsty soldiers in many battles. With other women, she transported the wounded and the dead in the war.

If the Prophet and his companions were defending Islam today, those women warriors would be carrying machine guns, manning submarines, and manufacturing arms.

If the modern ambulance systems had been in existence, the women would have been giving cardio-pulmonary resuscitation and transporting the sick to the nearest hospital.

Those Muslim women would have been trained in nursing and medical schools to take care of wounded soldiers. These women companions of the Prophet would have been in the forefront of designing Star Wars technology to defend Muslims.

Women in Politics and Scholars
For example, the Prophet consulted with Umm Salamah when he negotiated the treaty of Hudaibiah. Many companions were angry at the weak terms of the treaty. It was Umm Salamah whose counsel helped ease the situation.

Fatima bin Qais was a very able and intelligent scholar. When 'Umar died, the nomination committee consulted Qais on the selection of the next Caliph.

'Umar appointed Shifa bint 'Abdullah ibn Shams as the administrator of the Market of Madinah which was one of the largest markets in those days.

According to 'Allama ibn 'Abd al-Barr, Shifa bint 'Abdullah was a very intelligent and scholarly woman. Umar often took the initiative of asking her opinion to other people.

Women not only gave their opinion on various problems but also criticized state matters and participated in the evaluation and reckoning of a ruler's actions.

It is commonly believed that freedom of speech originated recently in the West. This is no more than myth. Islam introduced equal rights and freedom of expression for women fourteen hundred years ago. The incident about mahr (dowry) in the Caliphate of 'Umar is well known. When he decided to fix the dowry money, an old woman protested that he had no right to decide about it.

Women Jurists
There are many female jurists in early Islamic history. In jurisprudence, 'Aisha had few equals and Umm Salam also gave many legal rulings.

Others are Safiyyah, Hafsa, Umm Habiba, Juwayriyyah, Maymuna, Fatima, Zahra, Umm Sharik, Umm 'Atya, Asma' bint Abu Bakr, Haila bint Qanif, Khaula bint Tuwait, Umm al-Darda, Atika bint Zaid, Sahalah bint Suhail, Fatima bint Qais, Zaynabah bint Abu Salamah, Umm Ayman, and Umm Yusuf.

A noted medieval Muslim scholar, Imam Badr al-Din Kashani, explained the rationale for appointing a women Qadi judge): "Where there is ability to give testimony, there is also the ability of qada (ruling)." According to al-Tabari, a woman can be an absolute judge in every matter.

It is reported that Dawud ibn Husayn, a companion of the Prophet, used to take Qur'anic lessons from Umm Sa'd Jamilah bint As'ad Ansariyyah, daughter of As'ad ibn Rabi who fought in the Battle of Badr and achieved martyrdom in the Battle of Uhud. According to ibn Athir, Umm Sa'd had memorized the Qur'an and used to give regular lessons.

Khansa bint 'Amr was a woman of great stature and a poetess of great fame. According to ibn Athir, all poets of fame unanimously agree that no poetess ever equaled Khansa, and the Prophet appreciated her verses.

Su'da, Safiyyah, 'Atikah, Muridiyyah, Qunila Abduriyyah, Umm Ayman, Umm Ziad, and Kabsah bint Rafi were also well known poetesses at the time of the Prophet .

'Amra bint 'Abdu'r-Rahman was one of most prominent women of second generation. She was one of those who gave legal opinions in Madina after the Companions. Her opinion overrode the views of other authorities. She is the first authority for three legal issues dealing with the prohibition against digging up graves, the ban on selling unripe fruit, and the effect of crop damage on the sale of agricultural produce. In one case, she reversed the decision of her nephew to cut off the hand of a man who stole some iron rings. Her authority was accepted on matters such as business transactions and punishments (hudud). Imam Malik takes her as a legal precedent for details on the hajj.

Women Warriors
Many examples of women actively participating in war could be found at the time of the Prophet. One companion, Umm 'Umarah, demonstrated courage and fearlessness in the battle of Uhud.

Umm Hakim, wife of Ikrimah ibn Aji Jahl participated in the war against the Romans.

When Muslims suffered defeat in the Battle of Uhud, there was some confusion in the Muslim camp. Then Safiyah bint 'Abd al-Muttalib left Madinah armed with a spear and aroused a sense of shame among those who were returning from the battle. She angrily asked them, "Did you leave the Prophet behind?"

Asma' bint Yazid fought and killed nine enemy soldiers in the battle of Uhud.

Umm Salaim, mother of Anas, went to battle with a dagger .

Summary
There were not many different kinds of jobs during the days of the Prophet.

Farming, trading, construction, tool making, tanning, bread making, teaching, transporting goods, nursing, health care and defense of the nation were the major economic activities in those days.

Female companions of the Prophet participated in all these activities WITH his approval.

Woman standing for her own rights

Abi Yazeer (ra) reports,
Once Khola (ra) was going with a group of people including Umar (ra). She had made Umar wait for her.

He stayed, and came near her, leaned his head towards her and both his hands on her shoulders, and fulfilled her needs.

When she went away, Umar was asked by a person, 'O Amirul Mumineen! The pedestrians of the Quraish have been made to stay for that old woman'.

Umar said, 'I am sorry for you. Do you know who she was?' The person replied in the negative.

Umar said, 'This is the woman, whose complaint was heard by Allah from high above the seven heavens. This is Khola bint Tholaba. By Allah! Had she not left me for the whole night, I would not leave her, unless I fulfilled her needs'"

Thamama bin Hazn (ra) narrates,
Once Umar was going somewhere on his donkey. A woman came across in the way and said, 'Halt! O Umar!'

He stopped. She scolded him very harshly.

Thereupon, a certain person remarked, 'I have not seen a day like this'.

Umar commented, 'What could stop me from listening to her when Allah had listened to her, and sent down the following ayah about her, "Lo! Allah, the Exalted, listened to that woman who had brought to you dispute about her husband"
[Transmitted by Abi Haatim, Al Darmi and Al Baihaqui]

Source: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/farrukh/ia/wworking.htm


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#4
06-06-2008, 14:52
Om_Mohammed
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Ikrimah ibn Abi Jahl
He was at the end of the third decade of his life on the day the Prophet made public his call to guidance and truth. He was held in high regard by the Quraysh, being wealthy and of noble lineage. Some others like him, Saud ibn Abi Waqqas, Musab ibn Umayr and other sons of noble families in Makkah had become Muslims. He too might have followed their example were it not for his father. His father, Abu Jahl, was the foremost proponent of Shirk and one of the greatest tyrants of Makkah. Through torture, he sorely tested the faith of the early believers but they remained steadfast. He used every stratagem to make them waver but they continued to affirm the truth.

Ikrimah found himself defending the leadership and authority of his father as he pitted himself against the Prophet. His animosity towards the Prophet, his persecution of his followers and his attempts to block the progress of Islam and the Muslims won the admiration of his father.

At Badr, Abu Jahl led the Makkan polytheists in the battle against the Muslims. He swore by al-Laat and al-Uzza that he would not return to Makkah unless he crushed Muhammad. At Badr he sacrificed three camels to these goddesses. He drank wine and had the music of singing girls to spur the Quraysh on to fight.

Abu Jahl was among the first to fall in the battle. His son Ikrimah saw him as spears pierced his body and heard him let out his last cry of agony. Ikrimah returned to Makkah leaving behind the corpse of the Quraysh chieftain, his father. He wanted to bury him in Makkah but the crushing defeat they suffered made this impossible.

From that day, the fire of hatred burned even more fiercely in the heart of Ikrimah. Others whose fathers were killed at Badr, also became more hostile to Muhammad and his followers. This eventually led to the Battle of Uhud.

At Uhud Ikrimah was accompanied by his wife, Umm Hakim. She and other women stood behind the battle lines beating their drums, urging the Quraysh on to battle and upbraiding any horseman who felt inclined to flee.

Leading the right flank of the Quraysh was Khalid ibn Walid. On the left was Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl. The Quraysh inflicted heavy losses on the Muslims and felt that they had avenged themselves for the defeat at Badr. This was not, however, the end of the state of conflict.

At the battle of the Ditch, the Quraysh mushrikun besieged Madinah. It was a long siege. The resources and the patience of the mushrikun were wearing out. Ikrimah, feeling the strain of the siege, saw a place where the ditch, dug by the Muslims, was relatively narrow. With a gigantic effort, he managed to cross. A small group of Quraysh followed him. It was a foolhardy undertaking. One of them was immediately killed and it was only by turning on his heels that Ikrimah managed to save himself.

Nine years after his hijrah, the Prophet returned with thousands of his companions to Makkah. The Quraysh saw them approaching and decided to leave the way open for them because they knew that the Prophet had given instructions to his commanders not to open hostilities. Ikrimah and some others however went against the consensus of the Quraysh and attempted to block the progress of the Muslim forces. Khalid ibn al-Walid, now a Muslim, met and defeated them in a small engagement during which some of Ikrimah's men were killed and others who could fled. Among those who escaped was Ikrimah himself.

Any standing or influence that Ikrimah may have had was now completely destroyed. The Prophet, peace be upon him, entered Makkah and gave a general pardon and amnesty to all Quraysh who entered the sacred mosque, or who stayed in their houses or who went to the house of Abu Sufyan, the paramount Quraysh leader. However he refused to grant amnesty to a few individuals whom he named. He gave orders that they should be killed even if they were found under the covering of the Kabah. At the top of this list was Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl. When Ikrimah learnt of this, he slipped out of Makkah in disguise and headed for the Yemen.

Umm Hakim, Ikrimah's wife, then went to the camp of the Prophet. With her was Hind bint Utbah, the wife of Abu Sufyan and the mother of Muawiyah, and about ten other women who wanted to pledge allegiance to the Prophet. At the camp, were two of his wives, his daughter Fatimah and some women of the Abdulmuttalib clan. Hind was the one who spoke. She was veiled and ashamed of what she had done to Hamzah, the Prophet's uncle, at the battle of Uhud.

"O Messenger of God," she said, "Praise be to God Who has made manifest the religion He has chosen for Himself. I beseech you out of the bonds of kinship to treat me well. I am now a believing woman who affirms the Truth of your mission." She then unveiled herself and said:

"I am Hind, the daughter of Utbah, O Messenger of God. "

"Welcome to you," replied the Prophet, peace be on him.

"By God, O Prophet" continued Hind, "there was not a house on earth that I wanted to destroy more than your house. Now, there is no house on earth that I so dearly wish to honor and raise in glory than yours."

Umm Hakim then got up and professed her faith in Islam and said: "O Messenger of God, Ikrimah has fled from you to the Yemen out of fear that you would kill him. Grant him security and God will grant you security."

"He is secure," promised the Prophet. Umm Hakim set out immediately in search of Ikrimah. Accompanying her was a Greek slave. When they had gone quite far on the way, he tried to seduce her but she managed to put him off until she came to a settlement of Arabs. She sought their help against him. They tied him up and kept him. Umm Hakim continued on her way until she finally found Ikrimah on the coast of the Red Sea in the region of Tihamah. He was negotiating transport with a Muslim seaman who was saying to him:

"Be pure and sincere and I will transport you."

"How can I be pure?" asked Ikrimah.

"Say, I testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah."

"I have fled from this very thing," said Ikrimah.

At this point, Umm Haklm came up to Ikrimah and said:

"O cousin, I have come to you from the most generous of men, the most righteous of men, the best of men . . . from Muhammad ibn Abdullah. I have asked him for an amnesty for you. This he has granted. So do not destroy yourself. "

"Have you spoken to him?"

"Yes, I have spoken to him and he has granted you amnesty," she assured him and he returned with her. She told him about the attempt of their Greek slave to dishonor her and Ikrimah went directly to the Arab settlement where he lay bound and killed him.

At one of their resting places on their way back, Ikrimah wanted to sleep with his wife but she vehemently refused and said:

"I am a Muslimah and you are a Mushrik."

Ikrimah was totally taken aback and said, "Living without you and without your sleeping with me is an impossible situation." As Ikrimah approached Makkah, the Prophet, peace be upon him, told his companions: "Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl shall come to you as a believer and a muhajir (a refugee). Do not insult his father. Insulting the dead causes grief to the living and does not reach the dead."

Ikrimah and his wife came up to where the Prophet was sitting. The Prophet got up and greeted him enthusiastically.

"Muhammad," said Ikrimah, "Umm Hakim has told me that you have granted me an amnesty."

"That's right," said the Prophet, "You are safe."

"To what do you invite?" asked Ikrimah.

"I invite you to testify that there is no god but Allah and that I am the servant of Allah and His messenger, to establish Prayer and pay the Zakat and carry out all the other obligations of Islam."

"By God," responded Ikrimah, "You have only called to what is true and you have only commanded that which is good. You lived among us before the start of your mission and then you were the most trustworthy of us in speech and the most righteous of us." Stretching forth his hands he said, "I testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and His messenger." The Prophet then instructed him to say, "I call on God and those present here to witness that I am a Muslim who is a Mujahid and a Muhajir". This Ikrimah repeated and then said:

"I ask you to ask God for forgiveness for me for all the hostility I directed against you and for whatever insults I expressed in your presence or absence." The Prophet replied with the prayer:

"O Lord, forgive him for all the hostility he directed against me and from all the expeditions he mounted wishing to put out Your light. Forgive him for whatever he has said or done in my presence or absence to dishonor me."

"By God, O messenger of Allah, I promise that whatever I have spent obstructing the way of God, I shall spend twice as much in His path and whatever battles I have fought against God's way I shall fight twice as much in His way."

From that day on, Ikrimah was committed to the mission of Islam as brave horseman in the field of battle and as a steadfast worship per who would spend much time in mosques rending the book of God. Often he would place the mushaf on his face and say, "The Book of my Lord, the words of my Lord" and he would cry from the fear of God.

Ikrimah remained true to his pledge to the Prophet. Whatever battles the Muslims engaged in thereafter, he participated in them and he was always in the vanguard of the army. At the battle of Yarmuk he plunged into the attack as a thirsty person after cold water on a blistering hot day. In one encounter in which the Muslims were under heavy attack, Ikrimah penetrated deep into the ranks of the Byzantine. Khalid ibn al-Walid rushed up to him and said, "Don't, Ikrimah. Your death will be a severe blow to the Muslims."

"Let us carry on, Khalid," said Ikrimah, now at the peak of motivation. "You had the privilege of being with the Messenger of God before this. As for myself and my father, we were among his bitterest enemies. Leave me now to atone for what I have done in the past. I fought the Prophet on many occasions. Shall I now flee from the Byzantines? This shall never be." Then calling out to the Muslims, he shouted, "Who shall pledge to fight until death?"

Four hundred Muslims including al-Harith ibn Hisham and Ayyash ibn Abi Rabiah responded to his call. They plunged into the battle and fought heroically without the leadership of Khalid ibn al-Walid. Their daring attack paved the way for a decisive Muslim victory.

When the battle was over, the bodies of three wounded mujahideen lay sprawled on the battleground, among them Al-Harith ibn Hisham, Ayyash ibn Abi Rabiah and Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl. Al-Harith called for water to drink. As it was brought to him, Ayyash looked at him and Harith said:

"Give it to Ayyash." By the time they got to Ayyash, he had just breathed his last. When they returned to al-Harith and Ikrimaha, they found that they too had passed away.

The companions prayed that God may be pleased with them all and grant them refreshment from the spring of Kawthar in Paradise, a refreshment after which there is thirst no more.

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/A...n_abi_jahl.htm


#5
06-06-2008, 14:53
Om_Mohammed
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Ikrimah is one of the Companions of Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) and he was at the end of the third decade of his life when Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) made public his call to guidance and truth.

He was highly respected by the Quraysh tribe, because he was wealthy and of noble descendant. Some others like him, Saud ibn Abi Waqqas, Musab ibn Umayr and other sons of noble families in Makkah had embraced Islam. Ikrimah’s father was among the leaders of atheism and one of the greatest tyrants of Makkah.

Before Ikrimah embraces Islam, his father, Abu Jahl was proud of him because of his attempts to block the progress of Islam and the Muslims.

Abu Jahl was among the first to fall at Badr’s battle. His son Ikrimah watched him as spears penetrated his body and heard him let out his last cry of agony. The crushing defeat they suffered made it impossible for Ikrimah to bury his father in Makkah as he wanted.

Since that day, the fire of hatred burned even more fiercely in the heart of Ikrimah. Others, whose fathers were killed at Badr, also became more hostile to Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) and his followers. This eventually led to the Battle of Uhud.

Leading the right flank of the Quraysh was Khalid ibn Al Walid. On the left was Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl. The Quraysh made the Muslims suffer a lot and felt that they had avenged themselves for their defeat in Badr. However the conflict did not stop here.

At the battle of the Ditch, the Quraysh atheists besieged Madinah. It was a long battle. The resources and the patience of the atheists were wearing out. Ikrimah, feeling the strain of the siege, saw a place where the ditch, dug by the Muslims, was relatively narrow. With a huge effort, he managed to cross. A small group of Quraysh followed him. One of them was immediately killed and it was only by turning on his heels that Ikrimah was able to save himself.

Nine years after his hijrah, Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) returned to Makkah with thousands of his companions. The Quraysh saw them approaching and decided to leave the way open for them because they knew that the Prophet (PBUH) had given orders to his commanders not to open hostilities. Ikrimah and some others however went against the consensus of the Quraysh and attempted to block the progress of the Muslim forces. Khalid ibn al-Walid, now a Muslim, met and defeated them in a small engagement during which some of Ikrimah men were killed. Among those who were able to escape was Ikrimah himself.

Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) entered Makkah and gave a general pardon and amnesty to all Quraysh people who entered the sacred mosque, or who stayed in their houses or who went to the house of Abu Sufyan, the paramount Quraysh leader. However he refused to grant amnesty to a few individuals whom he named. He gave orders that they should be killed. At the top of this list was Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl. When Ikrimah learnt of this, he escaped from Makkah in disguise and headed for Yemen.

Umm Hakim, Ikrimah’s wife, then went to the Prophet’s camp. With her were Hind bint Utbah, the wife of Abu Sufyan and the mother of Muawiyah, and about ten other women who wanted to pledge allegiance to the Prophet (PBUH) . Hind was the one who spoke, saying:

"O Messenger of God", "Praise be to God Who has made manifest the religion He has chosen for Himself. I beseech you out of the bonds of kinship to treat me well. I am now a believing woman who affirms the Truth of your mission." She then unveiled herself and said:

"I am Hind, the daughter of Utbah."

"Welcome to you," replied Prophet Mohamed (PBUH).

"By God, O Prophet" continued Hind, "there was not a house on earth that I wanted to destroy more than your house. Now, there is no house on earth that I so dearly wish to honor and raise in glory than yours."

Umm Hakim then got up and announced embracing Islam, and said: "O Messenger of Allah, Ikrimah has fled from you to the Yemen out of fear that you would kill him. Grant him security and God will grant you security."

"He is secure," promised the Prophet. Umm Hakim set out at once in search of Ikrimah. Accompanying her was a Greek slave. When they had gone quite far on the way, he tried to seduce her but she managed to stop him until she came to a settlement of Arabs. She sought their help against him. They tied him up and kept him. Umm Hakim continued on her way until she finally found Ikrimah on the coast of the Red Sea in the region of Tihamah. He was negotiating transport with a Muslim seaman who was saying to him:

"Be pure and sincere and I will transport you."

"How can I be pure?" asked Ikrimah.

"Say, I testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah."

"I have fled from this very thing," said Ikrimah.

At this moment, Umm Hakim came up to Ikrimah and said:

"O cousin, I have come to you from the most generous of men, the most righteous of men, the best of men... from Mohamed ibn Abdullah. I have asked him for an amnesty for you. This he has granted. So do not destroy yourself. "

"Have you spoken to him?"

"Yes, I have spoken to him and he has granted you amnesty," she assured him and he returned with her.

As Ikrimah approached Makkah, Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) told his companions: "Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl shall come to you as a believer and a refugee. Do not insult his father. Insulting the dead causes grief to the living and does not reach the dead."

Ikrimah and his wife came up to where the Prophet (PBUH) was sitting. The Prophet (PBUH) got up and greeted him enthusiastically.

"Mohamed," said Ikrimah, "Umm Hakim has told me that you have granted me an amnesty."

"That's right," said the Prophet, "You are safe."

"To what do you invite?" asked Ikrimah.

"I invite you to testify that there is no god but Allah and that I am the servant of Allah and His messenger, to establish Prayer and pay the Zakat and carry out all the other obligations of Islam."

"By God," responded Ikrimah, "You have only called to what is true and you have only commanded that which is good. You lived among us before the start of your mission and then you were the most trustworthy of us in speech and the most righteous of us."

Stretching forth his hands he said, "I testify that there is no god but Allah and that Mohamed is His servant and His messenger." The Prophet then instructed him to say, "I call on God and those present here to witness that I am a Muslim who is a Mujahid and a Muhajir". This Ikrimah repeated and said:

"By God, O messenger of Allah, I promise that whatever I have spent obstructing the way of God, I shall spend twice as much in His path and whatever battles I have fought against God's way I shall fight twice as much in His way."

And ever since, Ikrimah became committed to the mission of Islam as a brave horseman in the battlefield and as a steadfast worship who spends a lot of time in the mosques reciting the Holy Qur’an. Often he would place the Qur’an on his face and say, "The Book of my Lord, the words of my Lord" and he would cry from the fear of God.

He participated in all the battles the Muslims engaged in thereafter, and he was always in the front of the army. At the battle of Yarmuk he plunged into the attack as a thirsty person after cold water on a blistering hot day. In one encounter in which the Muslims were under heavy attack, Ikrimah penetrated deep into the ranks of the Byzantine. Khalid ibn al-Walid rushed up to him and said, "Don't, Ikrimah. Your death will be a severe blow to the Muslims."

"Let us carry on, Khalid," said Ikrimah, now at the peak of motivation. Leave me now to atone for what I have done in the past. I fought the Prophet (PBUH) on many occasions. Shall I now flee from the Byzantines? This shall never be." Then calling out to the Muslims, he shouted, "Who shall pledge to fight until death?"

Four hundred Muslims including Al-Harith Ibn Hisham and Ayyash Ibn Abi Rabiah responded to his call. They plunged into the battle and fought bravely without the leadership of Khalid Ibn Al Walid. Their daring attack paved the way for a decisive Muslim victory.

When the battle was over, the bodies of three wounded Muslims lay sprawled on the battlefield, among them Al Harith Ibn Hisham, Ayyash Ibn Abi Rabiah and Ikrimah Ibn Abu Jahl.

The companions prayed that God might be pleased with them all and grant them refreshment from the spring of Kawthar in Paradise, refreshment after which there is no more thirst.

http://www.mohammad-pbuh.com/3/ikrimah.htm


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Dear Om Mohammad,

Thanks for your email regarding Ikrimah. All this information is appreciated.

Yes, for the last 25 years we encountered many misleading subjects like this one, from such so-called historians who write and publish books.
Example: Documents Inedits d'Histoire Almohade by Prof. E. Levi-Provencal, Paris 1928, Extraits du Kitab al-Ansab, pg. 32. In the Frech part pg. 47 (see: al-Aji). & regarding:

al-Ulj & Aji (our website)

see: This leave is part of an extensive Arabic-Arabic dictionary
al-Qamus- written by Abu'l-tahir Muhammad ben Ya'kub ben Muhammad ben Ibrahim Majd al-din al-Shafi'i al-Shirayi al-Firuzabadi & etc.

My husband asked Abi Haatim,al Darmi, al Baihaqui, de Bellaigue, Lulua etc. to clear themself on this subject. At the same time perhaps you can answer us to the following:

In The Rose Garden of the Martyrs, by Christopher de Bellaigue. He mentioned in Chapter One (Karbala) the following:
see:
It all goes back to AD 632 ........................... . The origin of the rift was a dynastic dispute, between supporters of the Prophet's family, represented by Aji, and the Prophet's companions, .................. .

as until today neither of them has answered us.


Assalaamu alaikum

Om Azzedine II & Om Yasmine
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26-06-2008, 17:03
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Dear Om Mohammad
Assalaamu alaikum

I refer to my message sent on June 8, 2008 and wonder if it was received by you as I have not heard from you since. I hope you and your family are well.

Please let me know whether or not you are going to comment to my questions.

I further take the opportunity to note for you two old letters which were written by my husband to the League of Arab States c/o Dr. Moussa. Perhaps you can publish them through your website.

First: On April 19, 2003 reads as follows: Ref: Previous letter sent to you & the Arab World

Dear ................ ,

Did you finally get a tiny hint of what is actually happening to all of you in your Arab World??? Believe me, you have neither seen the end of the day nor anything close to it - yet!
The European people stand up against Globalization as most understand that Globalization is what has happened in Iraq. Most of you too know that America, England, Switzerland and the rest of the EU is owned and run by banks whose headquarters belong to the World Jewish Monetary which controls and organizes all of what has happened and what will happen anywhere at any time.
Because of this, about 75% of all the Arab people, incl.Jews which are not part of this, must live under the pressure of this money manipulator, they all must follow orders or they will end up paying with the loss of their own small business, their house and their life. This is the hidden face of the
"Globalization". And as you can see for yourself, Globalization is likewise occupation & power and it will continue to keep taking away from all of you until the whole Arab population will be nothing else than slaves. (remember all other Arab land occupations in the past?)
This Globalization has been created and financed with the money coming from the Arab oil revenues as well as all the money taken away from the innocent Arab population by their own Arab rulers.
However, this Global Jewish Agenda used all this money as well as all those goyim Arab leaders as their puppets, for example "Iraq, Saddam Hussein", Pakistan, "Gen. Pervez Musharraf", Afghanistan, "Karzai" and as a backchiche - "Osama bin Laden" and not to forget: Egypt: "Hosny Mubarak" of course, etc. etc.
If you wonder why goyim Arab leaders, because once they served their purpose there is no more need for them, therefore they can/must be eliminated. This is true through all your last and new history. (recent example, Saddam plus Mr. backchiche bin Laden).

As your goyim children were never well informed nor educated they will have no background and no history - (burned libraries) - left, to connect nor understand what had happened to them and all what will remain for them to do will be to follow the new law imposed on them by the new governors (welcome to the new Israeli controlled Empire).
This is what you have done to the entire Arab world. Hope you are all proud of yourself!

This Globalization was only created to achieve a manipulated Jewish dream - an old Jewish ambition - to reign one day all over the Arab land.

There is no shame in admitting a mistake but by admitting it publicly on TV, Radio etc. you will open the eyes of all the Arab populations and as soon as they understand - the truth will surface all the way to Europe and America.
As a result - the whole Arab nations will stand up and automatically the power of taking over will vanish.
The Arab people will finally recongnize all these filtered in charades of none Arab people facing the cameras in the news media - which is by the way owned by the "Global Jewish Propaganda".
When the truth is shown through Europe, America and the total Arab world you will have at this stage a 75% chance of winning this uglyness without having to go to war - nor will you have to kill nor be killed!

Nonetheless, one last but most important thing remains to be asked:
As of today I never heard the League of Arab States, nor any Islamic delegation, nor any Arab organization, nor any European country, nor the rest of the world say to the whole world that: "Iraq cannot be used by any Jewish owned companies, banks, nor can they buy Arab land for settling there nor can they buy any land for investment purposes, as they did in Palestine".
They should be given no right to enter as partners nor in the back of anything else either - or is all of this just another decoy by the Arab government and the League of Arab States??

As a matter of facts, who are these Arab leaders - are they really what they claim to be??? or are most of them working for the other side already???

PS. Have a look what other people do: "Jewish agency fighting for
restoration of Jewish property in Arab lands"

Second: On June 13, 2004 to League of Arab States c/o Dr. Moussa

Dear .................. ,

See enclosed NZZ newspaper article, June 12, 2004 Zurich-Switzerland, about how Arab leaders cheat their own people and this is one way - a so-called "coup de grace" to those rulers - to bring all the fish into one net and make a big party out of it. All they deserve is this published article by George Szpiro, Israel-corr.

Should your grand-children once ask you why their Arab World and their Arab Heritage has been destroyed I hope that you and all the other so-called Arab rulers and leaders will be men enough to stand up and tell them the truth, that it resulted of nothing else than greed, money, self-interests, working for globalization with the intention to enslave everybody - like the people of Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa etc. - go ahead and tell this in front of all the poor and innocent Arab people, Christian & Moslems and to all the God believers - tell them

the full truth and nothing but the truth

All these good people will forgive their rulers and leaders for their errors made. To forgive lies in their nature and therefore you all owe it to your own people. They deserve to know what you did, why and for what purpose you did it. And once you ask your people to forgive your sins the Evil power of globalization will be destroyed and the whole Arab World will have a second chance to leave and work together as brothers. If you do not grab this one in a life time chance the taste of what is going to be in the future is for everybody to see and how it will finish is not difficult to foresee. But regardless of all of what will happen you all will be judged one way or another by God alone and forever mentioned in history books for what you have done to the whole Arab nation.

Om Azzedine & Om Yasmine


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dear swisscheese

You said: "EU is owned and run by banks whose headquarters belong to the World Jewish Monetary which controls and organizes all of what has happened and what will happen anywhere at any time."

I feel you have just insulted me.

I must stand up for SCOTTISH people. They (and I'm part Scottish) , do not take kindly to saying Jewish people control banks when we are proud to control the banks. Everything from HSBC to Barclays.

Please apologise to Scottish people for belittleing their banking abilities. I'm pretty sure some banks are also controlled by Swiss people too (no idea).

the real boss at Spurs FC is not Levy its Joe Lewis (Lewis is a Scottish Island) - check it out.
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Answer to Mr. Netcurtains3???
Dear Netcurtain

Regarding to the Scottish. My husband is most greatful because it is thanks to their ancestor (Scottish) that he has today the freedom to stand-up and face all of this.

This below quoted old letter addressed to President Clinton on August 9, 2004should answer your question/s with regards to banks, see as follows:

Dear President Clinton,

As an American citizen I have the desire to share with you, the people of America and anybody else you wish to share it with, the matter about "the Swiss manipulation", (see my enclosed letters), which I witnessed here in Switzerland for over 30 years and with regards to myself, what has happen to me and still is going on today, although the Swiss government continues to claim to be a true "democratic" country!!! Instead, what I found out was that this country is being used and controlled by some most powerful manipulators, so-called "Swiss" infiltrators and this at least since WWII. The result is that the most important positions are being controlled by their institutions and their followers, while up to 20% oft he Swiss local population has not enough knowledge to see what is going on within their own government, and the other 60% are to scared to talk against their own government. However, this results into limited civil liberties for the Swiss local population and to their State wealth as well.
But the bosses along with the so-called Swiss leaders have no shame to push aside their self-imposed "good intentions" in front of the whole world, while harvesting all the blood money of the world, the drug money coming from South America and from the mountains of Afghanistan, the money coming from the black gold of the "Sheikhs", the money coming from the "St.Petersburg" connection and from Rome as well. And as a backchiche let us not forget all the foreign aid money destined for Africa, the entire Third World, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.
All this money is being put to Swiss banks and is being handled by the so-called Swiss-Jewish-Israeli global monetary control in Switzerland and connected to the London "City" and the New York "City". (But neither by the
people of the United States of America nor by the innocent population on this earth).
Then you suddenly realize that these world leaders and bosses of the global monetary control have their secret monthly meetings within the beautiful Switzerland but always in connection to the Swiss banks and its government. So in order to turn above mentioned business relations into a gentleman business, the WEF, "World Economic Forum", was created 1970 in Geneva by Prof. Dr. Klaus Schwab, a "German"???, which amongst many others came to Switzerland. This "WEF" organizes international gatherings around the world and also in Davos, as you know.
However, through this "genius" manipulation they were able to publicly hand over the "Medal of Honour" to the bosses of the global monetary control while the rest of the world leaders, intellectuals, the very knowledgeable, professors and scholars kept silent.

Why, or rather what is it that drives them to forget God's guidance??? The answer just might be: Greed and their blind believe that they will become part of this New World Order.
But what these misguided followers always seem to forget is that once their
work is accomplished they will be eliminated - this is the law of the darkness.

I have nothing at all against the Jewish people - in the contrary! Nevertheless, this critic shall help to save all the innocent Jewish people. But, if we do not stop this so-called Jewish global monetary controller group together, if we do not stop their manipulation nor stop their control over freedom and etc., then we will risk that the innocent Jewish people will once more have to pay dearly for their leaders arrogance and this time please do not forget that there will be many, many Christian and Moslem lives lost as well, including many other innocent peopole of various colors and religions etc. All these human beings will have to pay in the very near furture for accepting to let an old mistake repeat itself which had already taken place during WWI and WWII.

The creation of a country without God's approval.
Many people have asked me what has happened to our economy, where has all our money gone, what has happened to all the money spent during the last 60 years, what has happened to our trillion and trillion of US dollars claimed to have been spent over here and over there, to Africa, to the entire Third World, to Bosnia, to Afghanistan, to Iraq, to Pakistan, to Palestine etc., etc. Well, I just found out the following: About 10% of the trillion and trillion of US dollars we canactually trace as follows: about an half of the 10% went to the leaders of those foreign countries as payment for their cooperation, a 1/4% of the 10% went to the so-called CEO's of those foreign countries and the rest of it, the remaining share of 1/4% of the 10% we can actually see through some bits of road-, bridge-, school-, housing- etc. constructions, here and there, further, also in some minor food- and medicine aids, for paying some advance salaries to the needed Pakistan-, Iraq-, Afghan police securities etc., but the biggest part of that money definitely goes for supplying these friendly countries with "UN authorized" military arms for protecting their own interests within these foreign countries.
All the remaining amount, ca. 90%, is being purred into Israel since its creation for financing solid and heavily secured constructions of new settlements and more and more new settlements with all modern comforts, incl. their swimming pools, for road-, bridge-, walls-, etc. constructions, to run nuclear power plants, for supply of advanced military equipment, for military personnel, to finance an ever ongoing war, for hospitals, for security agents, for the police, for the government, to finance the daily needed and imported food and water supply, for fuel and kerosene, for libraries, for education, for high education, for total research, for bringing more and more Jewish peopole to settle in Israel and more people and all of this to one small desert country without water resources, without hectares and hectares of agriculture, without gold mines, without oil and gas fields, without diamond mines, while continuing to ask for another 1 million Jewish people to come to this tiny land of Palestine, then you do need all these trillion and trillion of US dollars and believe me even then it will never be enough - in the contrary - it is like purring water into the middle of a sand desert. The logic of it is - the desert will swallow up all this water as well as all the water of our oceans and it will all evaporate. All the world money of the innocent, which was taken away from them for this purpose, will end-up wasted because nothing good will ever come out of it.
A Reminder: This is the Holy Land, God's city. Darkness cannot take over.


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Its very unfair to claim only one people are good at banking.
It will lead to subconscious racism in interviews for jobs in
banking. people will think, "oh he is not jewish, so he can't
be any good at banking". Banking is a profession open to all
and scottish people are particularly proud of their history
in this industry.
HSBC is based, in the main, in Shanghai Hong Kong Beijing
and other large cities in China.
This is what Wikipedia says:

"
HSBC Holdings plc is a public limited company incorporated in England and Wales, headquartered in London.[1]
It is the world's largest company and the world's largest banking group, as calculated based on different
metrics by the annual Forbes list of the world's largest firms published on April 2, 2008.[2][3] In February 2008,
HSBC was named the world's most valuable banking brand by The Banker magazine.[4][5]
"
see below for further details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSBC
Both the CEO and Chairman are typical people from these islands.
So either you are speaking nonsense or chinese and Brits are all jewish....
ps - double entry book keeping (the guts of banking) was invented by the Italians.
The first international bank were the "Knights Templers" - most were not jewish,

My mother used to teach the institute of banking exams and this is the course
text book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Theory-Pract...562625&sr=1-10
(written by her). She taught bankers from all round the globe....

Israel is poorer than portugal - its a very average place (wealth wise).
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27-06-2008, 10:44
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Now we fully understood. Whenneverever we have a little bit money we will try to open an account. In the meantime we wish you the best of luck


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27-06-2008, 11:31
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swisscheese,
don't let my opinions put you off banking conspiracy theories.
It is widely "known" that governments, MI5, Mossad, "arabic secret police",
Chinese opperatives, KGB, CIA etc etc are heavily into it all. Its just
that nearly all of them fail in their subversions of the market as the
market (all of us together) are just to powerful for them (eg when
UK was forced out of the ERM in the 1990s - the market was too
big for the UK)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2519013.stm


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Assalaamu alaikum.

Swisscheese: I apologize for the delay in answering your message of June 08.

Regarding the quote that you brought forth:

'In The Rose Garden of the Martyrs, by Christopher de Bellaigue. He mentioned in Chapter One (Karbala) the following:
see:
It all goes back to AD 632 ........................... . The origin of the rift was a dynastic dispute, between supporters of the Prophet's family, represented by Aji, and the Prophet's companions'

It is obvious that there is a typographical error in this quote. The name "Aji" should be "Ali". It is obviously in reference to Ali ibn Abi Talib, the prophet's cousin and his son-in-law. The rift of the dynastic dispute is that of the rift between the present-day sunnis and shias, and Allah knows best. as this quote claims, it dates back very far into the beginning developing years of Islam, not necessarily originating from Ali himself, but from some of those who claim to follow him.

As for the letters you have posted concerning the Arab League and swiss banks and accounts...it is a deep subject, and many are apparently allegedly involved in such activities. You are free to post these letters here, but I am sorry but I have little knowledge or insight into this topic to comment upon it.

Om Mohammed.


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Ikrimah ibn Aji Jahl
Oum Azzedine

Assalaamu alaikum

Dear Oum Mohammed,

Sorry for the delay in thanking you for your last email but I had to wait for my husband.
Regarding the subject: Aji my husband doesn't want to say much but he said:

1. Aji = haji
2. Haji or Aji equal Hejaz = Mecca, meaning the people of the Kaba & the
Hejaz.
3. Hassan, (son of Ali & Fatima), the Assenaji tribe. Hassan is the name, Aji
the family title = Sharif.
4. The family tree of Hassan goes all the way from Mecca to its western
extremity on the Atlantic, called Sanhaga which means the Assenaji tribe.
This proves the family tree of Hassan as Aji or Ali.
5. Until today we did not receive any answer from Mr. Ch. Bellaigue and
neither from the once mentioned before.
It is true, that many unlogical and similar manipulating words been
purposely changed. After all, from Ali to Aji there is not much to do!!!
6. We wonder if later they may change Assenaji to Assenali???? which to us
is the same family and the same tree but nonetheless changes the whole
history - and this is a fact.
Therefore, Hassan chose the title Aji (saint) to point out the direct
descent from Prophet Mohammad. This is a fact!

At the same time I take the opportunity to add one more letter which was written by my husband in the Summer of 2004 to Mr. Kerry & Mr. Edwards which reads as follows:

4 years ago I borrowed some money just to travel to America and to make sure that my vote would help to avoid having "President" Bush in office today. Well, as we all know it did not work out. Now, 4 years later I hoped that Mr. Edwards would be the one to be chosen but since this is not the case I prayed that you Mr. Kerry would somehow proof to me that I was wrong about your true identity! Unfortunately your comments told me that you too will be just another "President" Bush. True, you are somewhat different but nevertheless the same and put this on records!
With regrds to Mr. Edwards,
I am very disappointed by hearing your speech. At first it was ok but suddenly you too lost your good balance and your values with regards to human life.
In the future, please try always to remember that regardless of what happened, no human being has the right to decide over life or death of another human. Only God does - but not you!

So instead of hunting down the al-Qaida??? and smash it you should rather invest your ample energy to find out who is al-Qaida! To my knowledge al-Qaida is nothing more and nothing less than filtered in Mossad + etc. from Europe to USA. I am sorry for the Arab people, so-called al-Qaida's, being brain washed, hypnotized and used for as a bait just because of their miserable life of having no money for their families and their children to survive.
Today they are a fish looking for a bait to eat and suddenly end-up in the net of Mossad and etc. and here the fish turns to be a so-called al-Qaida.

You Mr. Edwards should travel to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine personally and talk to the local people and work out your differences between them and the USA.
Only when you hear and learn the full stories directly from the side of the local people, not the corrupted leaders, and if you are fair in your judgement and respect their human rights - then the so-called fake al-Qaida will vanish for ever.

Remember, terrorists and terrorism always vanishes when human rights, equal rights, justice, good balance, fairness etc. are implemented.
Why does terrorism vanish - because once the basic human rights are implemented and respected there will be no more need to fight for anything! Neither for oil nor any other God given richness belonging to other people. Further, there is no harm to eat and let other people eat by respecting what God gave them and what God gave you - but you are allowed to share between you and them. There is neither any need to kill nor to be killed.

My father, a great former American Ambassador and specialist in Near Eastern Affairs teached me, never ever to forget that the other people are human as well and to always find out a way to work together for the benefit of man kind.

Sorry, but this time I cannot vote - neither for "President" Bush nor for you Mr. Kerry.

All I can say is: May God help us all!


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swisscheese,
you said:
"I am sorry for the Arab people, so-called al-Qaida's, being brain washed, hypnotized and used for as a bait just because of their miserable life of having no moneyfor their families and their children to survive."

This is pretty unlikely given the high price of oil.

I think you need to go back to the drawing board.

 

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Assalaamu alaikum.

Trying to clear up the misconceptions of the term or prefix "Abi" vs. "Aji":

First of all, 'aji' is not the same as 'haji'. And the term 'haji' is not in reference to the 'Hejaz' region, but rather in reference to one's attendence to and performance of the hajj. It is a practice that evolved thru the years of the history of the development of Islam, and was not practiced by the prophet(SAAW) nor his companions. To refer to someone as 'haji so and so' means they have given him the title of respect of 'haji', indicating that this person has been at least once already in his/her lifetime to perform the haj. So, it is not something of equal value if you say either 'haji' or 'aji'. The two are nothing alike.

Also, I have never heard of a word or term or prefix as 'aji'. I will ask more about this...but I am quite familiar with the Arabic language, and there is simply no such usage of this term as a prefix in names or reference to people, as there is normal usage of the term 'abi'. As well, if you read the various ahadith, you will find that this person's name is most generally listed as 'abi jahl', NOT 'aji jahl'. I have noticed in only several various articles in which his name is mentioned as 'aji jahl', but not in the original arabic books of reference...indicating that this is indeed merely a mistake of the typographically error.

And Allah knows best.

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Dear Oum Mohammed,

Thanks. However, within my last email, dated July 24, 2008, I was not
mentioning Abi Jahl nor Abou Jahl nor Aji Jahl!

Instead I was refering to Aji as Hassan Aji, see email of July 24, 2008.

With regards to the question of Ikrimah ibn Aji Jahl I am still awaiting a reply from:

Imam? Abi Haatim; Imam? al-Darmi; Imam? al-Baihaqui; Mrs? Lulua & etc.

in order for them to clear-up this matter of Aji Jahl.

You mentioned that you will look up the title of Aji, please do not forget to compare also the family kingdom of Brunei which still today carries this title Aji and with it claims to be of direct descent of the Prophet Mohammad as well as the family kingdom of Indonesia which likewise carry Aji as their title & claim direct descent of the Prophet Mohammad due to their titles Aji and as well Hassan Aji (Assenaji = Sanhaga) which is the real origin as mentioned within my last email of July 24, 2008.

[b]PS. I still invite everybody to visit my website: <www.sharifian-history.info> /B]. Any comments are appreciated.

Assalaamu alaikum


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Swisscheese,
I went to your site.
I just want to add that there is nothing intrinsically
wrong with being a zionist any more than there is
beleiving in the "Celtic Alliance" (creating a celtic nation from
Brittanity, Cornwall, Lancashire, Scotland, Wales and Ireland)
or creating a Pan-Arabic nation or a global Islamic empire.
I'm sure they are all wonderful romantic notions.

What is wrong is using FORCE and not democracy.
Israel/Palastine should merge
into one state and the zionists should be WELCOMED and
the Palastinians should be WELCOMED too. Let them build
the worlds greatest nation together for the good of all
mankind so that this nation becomes like a becon of light
for the world. It becomes gods land.

The Balfour Declaration states that ALL religions and
all peoples CIVIL RIGHTS in Palastine should be protected.
A state founded on the Balfour Declaration needs to be
both Jewish and Muslim (and anything else too).

viva the Balfour Declaration!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour...ration_of_1917
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Wikipedia is still zionist dis-informaton site.

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We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.

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I've read up on both the co-founders of wikipedia.
Neither of them are interested in the slightest in Palestine.
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Dear Netcurtain,

Regarding your email of July 26, 2008. My answer to your email is that I share with you a letter which was addressed to Sheikh ...... on December 12, 2003.
I hope this letter will answer you and all the other readers.

Ref: Dominance abuse, ..................

Dear Sheikh ...........,

As of today I respected everybody through all my life and therefore I am part of everyone, (I have no difference in race nor religion). The only law I believe in is God's law, as well as freedom and equality for everybody on this earth.
Nonetheless, I do foresee a very big problem coming to all of us from the part of very important people which have a big influence through our media and in global monetary control. Fact is that they are connected to a group with a so-called Jewish cause. (CNN: Sharon said,today we have the worlds best
scientists, best scholars, best military, best and best ...). Today my fear is that because of this plot lots of innocent Jewish and non-Jewish people will once more be sacrificed because of this imposed dominance and as everybody knows, like during WWI & WWII, to hide the real reason, the full truth and the cause of the last two wars. This time we must act before we are confronted with WWIII and/or risk that Syria & Iran fall next and this within a very short time from now.
Until today they keep on saying: "there is no solution to the Palestine & Jewish problem", but yes, there is a simple solution indeed, than when the Palestinians accepted to share their own land with the Jewish population, which by the way moved in from all over the world, they - the innocent Jewish people- accepted the offered piece of Palestinian land and to live together for the sake of peace in this Holy Land.
But soon after, the Israeli government showed their true intentions, they were not satisfied but rather want more and more land from the Palestinians with all mighty force and with the blessing coming from the biggest and richest civilized countries on this planet. Nonetheless, the Jewish government continues to behave as an occupier while refusing to accept that they are the aggressor. As a matter of fact the Jewish government never had the intention to share nor to live as equal partners on this sacrificed Palestinian land. However, their true aim is much more dangerous to all the world today than just to Palestine alone.
The simple and just solution to peace is:

"When the Jewish government will accept and will be satisfied with the offered piece of Palestinian land - then - the war is over!"

Today, this continuing Jewish agression starts to show through all the world, is touching even Christianity, the EU and America as well as all small civilized Arab people incl. Arab Moslems & Christians, but especially the once with an advanced knowledge must suffer! Further, their small businesses are being eliminated, their small wealth is taken away and their children must end up without a high education. ("being of minor knowledge and little money you are of no dange to their cause!").

CNN: President Clinton said: "Our first duty is to do no harm - nor to stand into anybodies way who wants to go ahead!"
Sorry, rest is private.


Please note: all letters where written years ago, therefore, please check the dates.
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Swisscheese,
you said:
"
CNN: Sharon said,today we have the worlds best
scientists, best scholars, best military, best and best ...)
"

This is provably untrue.
The UK has 80 Nobel prize winners
since the creation of Israel and Israel 8.

The UKs population is 60Million and Israel 7Million.
Even allowing for the population differences you are still 14%
more likely to win a nobel prize if you are British than
if you are Israeli.

Thus they do not have the best scientists and scholars.

If they had the best military they would win wars by a method
that made their neighours love them and never want to fight
them again. Since they are not liked then obviously they
have a bad military.


Posted on: Buying Palestinian National Rights

Posted by manaboulsi on July 29, 2008 #47516

The land is not Real Estate. This is a homeland and an identity and wrong can not be right with paper money or even gold.
We paid for it with our lives and we'll pay the same to get it back.

------------------------
Our Reply to: Manaboulis

Posted by D. Berry on August 8, 2008 #48479

To manaboulis and everybody else

You are absolutely right - a land is not a Real Estate ! Land means : Your fathers & forefathers, as well as your children¿s & grandchildren¿s home and therefore is forbidden to be sold !

It is true, as you said, you all did pay dearly with your blood. And as you said, neither will you hesitate to pay with your own blood in order to get it back.
However, if you turn as bad as them, then they succeeded as you have became to be one of them! And this is why they continue to take more and more land away in the first place.
This is called provocation!
If you are good and Islam is the good, then I strongly believe that we are obliged ¿ in the name of God and peace - to sacrifice a piece of land. This sacrifice the people of Palestine have accepted for the sake of peace back in 1948 along with the entire Arab nation of Christians, Moslems, Jews & etc.
And if this piece of land would have stopped this ugliness, then you all would have succeeded.
Unfortunately, until today we have not succeeded because of the continues spilling of blood.
We all must remember that the sacrifice had already started with our forefather Abraham and as a result we have Ismail as our father as well.
But if Abraham would not have obeyed God, then we would not have Ismail !
Therefore, you must stop the spilling of blood by all means, return to PAPER & INK and stick to the 1948 accepted and signed agreement!

Please read our letters within Ikrimah ibn Aji Jahl at: sharifian-history at dot info

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Posted to Forum: Moroccan association calls for friendship and co-existence

Posted by Dziri58 on July 20, 2008

I really can not believe the comments i have just read in here. Why are our Moraccan brothers so fascinated by the Jews? Why do they belittle themselves to this extent? The Jews have lived all over the Arab world, not just in Morocco, in fact everywhere where an easy life was possible. However they love nobody but themselves as historical facts tell us, and they certainly don't love the Arabs, Amazigh or anyone Muslim. For them Arabs are the lowest of Mankind. All Zionists agree with each other that a jewish life is worth 70 Arab lives. You only have to look at how many Lebanese lives they took for just two missing soldiers in the latest Hisbollah-Israeli conflict and it did not make the slightest difference if they were Christians or Muslims they massacred, as far as they were concerned the Lebanese were all Arabs. Furthermore, at the end of the French Algerian war in 1962, the majority of the Jews who lived in Algeria for centuries chose to live their country of origin, Algeria as the French were kicked out. Where was their sense of loyalty, then? Between Arabs and Jews, there is no love lost, only self interest. Deep down the Jews are certainly not the least impressed by the one sided Moroccan love for them. I rest my case.

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Our Reply to Dziri58

Sent by D. Berry in August 2008. Until today Magharebia did not publish.

To Dziri58 and to everybody else

The Arab-Moroccan descendant are not fascinated by the Jewish people – in the contrary, they are just worried and scared! Why, because the true Sharifian bloodline was exchanged during 1873 and replaced at first by Hassan I, - (a distant cousins)-, all the way to Sidi Mohammed V, but they were never of Sharifian descent.
But because this exchange took place, the Jewish influence could filter into the Moroccan government. All of this was helped and created by the European countries, the Kingdom of Great Britain, the USA, Zionists & Moroccan Zionists along with the support of the Glaoui-, Ba Ahmed ben Moussa- and Tazi clans, which are all said to be of Moroccan-Jewish descent.

Through this they succeeded in gaining the total control over the Moroccan economy.
Imagine what will happen to Morocco today if the Moroccans dear to just overstep the line by a little bit while claiming their rights???
That is why the Moroccan-Arabs are not fascinated by the Jewish people but rather try to avoid to have their country end like Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and etc.
This is avoiding problems!

PS. I am very happy that the Moroccan people, Arab and Berber and Jewish and etc. are all living together and work together for the benefit of their own peace.
Please visit: www.sharifian-history.info


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On Oct 26, 8:52 am, swisscheese <aberr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 17, 9:24 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > On Oct 17, 1:27 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Oct 16, 1:22 pm, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:

> > > > On Oct 15, 9:25 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > On Oct 16, 1:07 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > On Oct 15, 3:29 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > Trust the old prophets just be careful of the interpretations. You
> > > > > > > have mine idea.

> > > > > > > That’s all I have to say about the Question.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > I guess a properly hacked Usenet/newsgroup can't manage without at
> > > > > > least incorporating one Warhol as its resident Zionist/Nazi Rothschild
> > > > > > and republican Mafia.

> > > > > > ~ BG

> > > > > trust McCain over Obama...

> > > > > here is Barry aka Barcka ...http://www.hot-screensaver.com/wp-myimages/cockroach.jpg

> > > > > the Dark-skinned variety ,,,

> > > > You make a good case to do the opposite of what you say.

> > > As a Rothschild, it seems our Warhol is pretty much what's expected of
> > > their republican Mafia policy. Imagine the collateral damage and
> > > horrific carnage of the innocent if they had full control.

> > > Doing the exact opposite of a faith-based cabal/cartel seems like a
> > > wise policy.

> > > ~ BG

> > It was Winston Churchill who said:

> > "In war-time, truth is so precious that she should always be attended
> > by a bodyguard of lies."

> > “Possessor of everything” cabal/cartel...

> > the Mafia Brad, are this yids...http://www.sirmoses.org.uk/arms.jpg

> > the Monster will ad soon USA to his coat of arms if Obama will be
> > elected... The only law I believe in is GranDa'dy’s Sharria as well
> > as freedom and equality for everybody on this earth.

> > However, through my descend I have inherited a very serious ancient
> > unsettled problem from different groups called...

> > The Alaoui
> > The Burbons
> > The Ottomans
> > The Pope and his Jesuits
> > The Wahibbis
> > The international Bankers...
> > “The Learned Elders of Zion”, Zionists with the so-called “Jews”

> > This group did not only cause a lot of harm to our Moorish Republic –
> > no, they also caused lots of harm to many innocent Christian-, Moslem
> > Allah believers as well as to various other religious God believers
> > around the world. These group of evil have done this to satisfy their
> > immense ambitions for controlling the entire worlds wealth which they
> > need for their New World Order...

> > See: Sir Moses Montefiore’s Dream – Israel benefactor; Montefiore
> > speaks of his engraved ring. The inscription reads:

> > “Possessor of everything”

> > Brad this monsters have deleted my Noble Family Name from all
> > archives... So please stop to connect my good Name with your Mafia
> > cabal/cartel... They teach you for only one reason: 1. To mislead you.
> > 2. To fake the legitimacy to the throne and to gain the legitimacy to
> > the Noble Sharifian Mesbahiyyan heritage.

> > The Moroccan Zionist, the Learned Elders of Zion.
> > See in James Richardson, Travels in Morocco, 1859; pg. 79;
> > Nevertheless, if the Jews of this country had the power, they
> > would enslave the Moors, and well castigate them. This
> > latter remark, Coriante uttered with an emphasis, denoting the
> > revenge which his countrymen would inflict upon their
> > Moorish protectors, who had released them from chains and percussion
> > in a series of ages.

> > By 1963 we lost everything and became slaves of the western World till
> > todate...- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

Qestion by swisscheese

> who are you to use some of our text published on:www.sharifian-history.info
> without our permission in this forum!!!?????

> Part I is about the Sultan's merchants tactics used, Part II is about
> our history. Part III is about, Revelation on Title Aji
> followed by an article on Idols. This is my husband's research into
> which you have made changes without our permission.
> W h o a r e y o
> u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????????????????

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Balak-a1 Sfaradi swisscheese,

"To Him" be the glory' for the title of "Aly" and not 'Aji' or 'Haji'.

I changed nothing... I only corrected yids lies, distortions and half
truths... And as for who i am... Well I Am The Icy Wind of Death....
The Sheriff of QarQar, who blows not upon the trees, but on the man.

i am the Shadow of the Holy Name which was erased from all the scrolls
and
records, in the World. So that thieves of your kind can get the bloody
product
of their theft, a crime done for their Masters of Darkness, "He" who
dreams to sit on The Holy Thrown of the Lord on Earth; The
Alaoui's... "not an
al-Aji"

You yids, as the Alaouite now seek to get in your bloody hands one of
the
last Sacred Moorish Heritage Of The Kingdom of FEZ and Al Mamlakah al
Maghribiyah Al-Mesbahiyyan al-Aqsa, that which dont belong to neither
of
you... But Belongs to the Shariffiyan descendant of the Saadian Golden
House
of Wazan...You and the Alaouits dared to "blaspheme, and cursed us for
400
years and now you seek ways to get our Sharifian Heritage in your
possession." How Dare ye, I Say...

Let me bring to your attention all, that "Al Mamlakah al Maghribiyah
Al-Maghrib al-Aqsa" also rendered simply Maghrib, has NO connection
with
current day Morocco. Moroccan false Alaouis dynasty claims up the
Titles as "Amir al-Mu’mineen" or "Shaarifian descendant", while that
Horror Kingdom of the Alaouite clan("not an al-Aji" Family) pretending
to be descendant of the Family of Prophets, have the blood on their
Hands of Prophets and Saints. Morocco is a latter day sultanate of
Marrakech created in 1666ad and became only a Kingdom in 1956 after
they had absorbed the holy kingdom of Fes as they did to "Bled Es
Siba" after 1924 with the help of Nations, who have betrayed their
treaties of friendship; they had with the "Ahl al-Bayt" of "Al
Mamlakah al Maghribiyah Al-Maghrib al-Aqsa"...

My ancestors ruled over the Sacred Kingdom for more than 1400
years as Kings, and true descendants of prophets and Lord of Heavens
and
Worlds... A Saadian Kingdom that only ceased to exist untill 1924,
When they
Captured the So called; Last of the Barbary Pirates... The
Magnificent
Shaariff Moulay Ahmad Rais'Souni, Lord of the Mountains. This King was
Moulay Ahmed, a Ben Solomen(Abd'Es'Salem) Ben Rais Souni El Aly... the
Sheriff and High Priest of a very special group of Warrior Knight's of
the
Saadian state, Called the Macbahiyan aka the Macabees of the Sacred
Scroll...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,719830-2,00.h

Sheriff of Wazan:
Great Raisuli, we have lost everything. All is
drifting on the wind as you said. We have lost everything.

Black-bearded Rais'uli' "Aly":
Sheriff, is there not one thing in your life that is worth losing
everything for?

The genealogy of Great Raisuli Wazzani goes back to the founder of the
autonomous Wazzaniya brotherhood founded by the Yalmahite sharif
Moulay Abdellah Sherif Wazzani (d. 1089/1674). Moulay Abdellah Sherif
and his successors established branches in Algeria, Tunis, Tripoli,
Iraq, India, and Yemen. His order became famous throughout history for
its many mujahid masters in the past and in modern times, including
Shaykh Sidi Abu Ishaq Ibrahim, the son of Moulay Abdellah Wazzani who
went on jihad in Larache and Mahdiya against the Alaouite in the
eleventh/seventeenth century. He was wounded in the battle and died of
the wound. He was taken to Wazzan and buried with his father there.

And long before this you yids sold already fake history for your
Masters of
Darkness and recieved the Balafour agreements when yids received
Palestine as payment for lies introduced, as world history, lies which
cant stand the light of the Mesbahiyan...

As you have written in part 2 in your blog, "the history of my
ancestors needs to be rewritten." So must the History of the Shareefs
of
Wazan be written, and try to put in that yidish head of yours that
neither
of you, the Alaouite and you bastard children of darkness, dont belong
to that sacred blood group that descends from Heaven. From who shall a
Golden Apple be born..."Ruby of the Sharifs", The Mahdi of Sarsar;
Hassan
ibn Ahmed; the Man who shall blow icy winds in the necks of all those
that
tried to steal the Holy Heritage of the lesser-known Saadian Shaarifs
of the
Dar'Al Salem, the house of peace.(the name of the celestial JeruSalem
or Those Who Are Saved )

The Sa'adian dynasty's use of millenarian discourse. One of the
favourite
terms was and still is sa'ada, which can be translated into English as
"happi­ness," "blessing," or "salvation." This term appears often in
Sa'adian-era texts, and it can also be found in such appellations as
Dar as-Sa'ada (House of Salem), which, following Moorsih usage, was
the official name for the royal palace of the Sa'adian rulers in Qsar
El Kebir, Mekness, Fes and Marrakech, till the invasion from the south
by current day Not so Haji Alaoui pretenders to the High Thrown of "Al
Mamlakah al Maghribiyah Al-Mesbahiyyan al-Aqsa".

An important example of such usage can be found in a statement of Imam
al-Jazouli: "Past nations have asked to be included in our polity. Yet
no
one can be included in it unless he has already attained salvation
(sa'ada).
Our polity is the state (dawla) of those who strive and struggle in
the path
of Allah- fighters against the enemies of Allah/EloHiM."

To speak lightly or disrespectfully of the name of our Redeemer, that
name
"which is above every name," that name at the mention of which "every
knee
should bow," Phil. 2:9-11, that name which "there is none other name
under
heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12, is
regarded by
God as one of the chiefest of sins, a sin punishable in a most
terrible
manner with the Plank into the Lake of Fire.

Now You Liars still are trying to get the last sacred treasure in the
Swiss... Cheese... that Baraka was hidden for "the Beloved One" of
the
Mountains of Shadow; a sanctuary belonging to the Lion of the tribe of
Sanhaja and Masmuda...

So Swisscheese; if you want to known who your ancestors were; than
look up
"Visigoths"; the original all Sfaradi, Sephar'din aka the Sephardic
yids... and some of those Visigoths survived the great clean up held
by the
Great Sid in the year 711ad, and thats all, as glory, you may claim up
as yours...

In 638 C.E., the Visigoths declared that "only Catholics could live in
Spain."; just as the yids today who declare now only jews may live in
that fake state Israel... its the same old story allover again.

Then the Golden Age started In 711 when the Spanish Iberia was freed,
by the Noble Sharifian Mesbahiyyan Saints Warriors, of the Evil
Visigoths.

The Great(Aly) Caliph (high priest) build a World civilization and
ruled an Empire that was the whole World, for many centuries till the
Mongolian revolts started again against the "Ahl al-Bayt"... so after
many centuries of war, came for a short time only, a Great Empire
where the Sun never went down; an end and this till the day of
resurection aka judgement day... ad-dawa as-sa’adiya.

http://books.google.com/books?id=XZwO2TX8EOcC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=


Reply from swisscheese

To al-Aly in response to above.

I waited to show your reply to my husband. My husband decided to
answer you only with
this reference from:

This quoted Arabic text is part of a philological dictionary in
manuscript, in which the author lists a comparatively
small number of root words, then proceeds their pronunciation and the
meanings and Qur'anic references associated with them. This is the
work of a scholar for scholars and was not intended for general
reference use. The extensive Arabic-Arabic dictionary -al-Qamus- was
written by Abu'l-tahir Muhammad ben Ya'kub ben Muhammad ben Ibrahim
Majd al-din al-Shafi'i al-Shirazi al-Firuzabadi, b. 1329 A.D. in
Kazerun, Iran; d. Jan. 13th 1414/15 A.D. in Zabid, Yemen. He teached
in Jerusalem from 1349-1359 A.D. and later traveled through western
Asia. Printed at Bulaq (Cairo), Vol. I & II.

See explanation for al-Aly or al-Uly or al-Ily or al-Eulj in Arabic as
follows:

Arabic text, how do I add
a picture?

Since you claim to be Aly?, this is explained as: A man who does not
believe in God and etc.

See explanation for al-Aji in Arabic as follows:

Arabic text, how do I add
a picture?

meaning of our inherited title Aji is: A strong, steadfast man who
treats all matters well and just, a God believer etc.

Plus one more reference for you to know which is even much older.
Please go and read about the discovery of the
tablets, the fight of EA against the darkness=Aly. This happened
during 885-860 B.C.


Reply from Warhol

that figures..... Aly arji tablets

you like most yids fall for their own fairy tales before the reality
they have destroyed or alternated in the Dark Ages... but while we are
talking about pictures... I will give a picture.... Over the
centuries, various groups have claimed to be descended from the
Templars Brotherhood and legend abounds over hidden treasures, secret
rituals, and their rumoured guardianship of the Holy Grail.

The story of Hadji Murad Reis, =Aly =Leader against the invading
forces.. Hadji Murad the White Warrior = Al Bayth = Al Beidan of Qsar
Sanhaja.

The Legend of the Brotherhood/Ahl Al Bayth/White Warriors/Sorfa...
belongs neither the usurper rulers Alaoui, yids, Turks, Persians,
French, Mongols, Burbon etc... it belongs to the beloved Qaraween Sun
who's history was deleted by forces of Darkness...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxokbxfeOi8&feature=related

USA is fooled by the true Axis of Darkness, and their Zionist agenda
which creates mythical Aji... But Gran'Da'Dy have you forgotten.

I tell ye beware... the Eagle shall awaken and get very angry for all
the lies the Axis of Darkness made him belief... And the Eagle will
clean for this Sun of The Gharb in the Holy Kingdom of FEZ, belonging
to my Ancestors, The Saints and Prophets.

'The Wrath of the Eagle' -- For it is written that a son of Al Gharb
would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt
throughout the lands of the Lord and lo, while some of the people
trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle
cleaning vermin in the land of Warhol; and there was peace.

Qur'an Verse 9:11 - But (even so), if they repent, establish regular
prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in
Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who
understand.
http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/009.asp

USA used to stand up to the defense of Ahl al-Bayth, by virtue of
treaties, which was in the mould of beautiful and attractive Pirate
version... the one who disappeared from the sights who will upon his
advent; fill up the world with equity, justice, and fairness...

Whosoever is not a friend of Ahl al-Bayth(Arabic: "people of the White
House") is a hypocrite.

"The people of the west (ahl al-gharb) will know the truth until the
Hour comes."... "A group of my readers will remain constant to the
truth, conquering their enemy until the command of Heaven comes to
them while they are still in that condition."


The Cause of the Palestinian and Iraqi Wars:

The Hon. Dr. Burton Yost Berry, former US-Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to Iraq


September 8, 1952

Memorandum of Personal Observations:


The making and receiving of official calls, and
other contacts that a new Chief of Mission establishes with local
people in all walks of life, have provided me in concentrated form
with an appreciation of Iraqi attitudes which we must take into
account if we are to make progress with our area objectives. Thus, I
hope following summary of my impressions will prove timely to
Department in developing its over-all Middle East policy, and
particularly in shaping its position on MEDO and several items on GA
agenda.

Without an exception each new Iraqi acquaintance
brought up first the Palestine issue and left no doubt as to depth of
his feeling. With little variation each said the Iraqis had no
quarrel with Jews as Jews who had been welcomed in Orient when the
West persecuted them. But Zionism was something else which was
cruelly selfish and dangerously aggressive. Zionism at work in
Palestine, creating an Israeli state on lands which since days of
Caliph Omar were Arab and today are part of Arab Spiritual heritage,
inflicted an injury to the Arab soul which will never heal. And what
was done could not have been done except through active intervention
and continuing support of US. This I was told always with sincerity
and sometimes with very considerable heat. I was warned too that in
the Orient where grudges are nurished and blood feuds flourish not to
believe that lapse of time will change Arab attachment to Palestine,
or that the young generation will hold different views or that US
loans and grants will cause Arabs to forget and forgive.

French and British imperialism in North Africa
regularly was the second subject introduced by Iraqis. They say North
African Arab states are controlled by French and British armies with
civil liberties suppressed and right of self-determination denied.
They consider that US, by supporting British and French, has become
equally responsible with them. Frequently I was asked why the US
fights to save South Koreans from domination by a foreign aggressor
when we do not fight to save Tunisians and Moroccans from a similar
destiny. Then I was informed that we discriminate because Chinese and
North Koreans do not belong to „international aristocracy“
whereas the French and British do. I was advised that all nations
today demand quality of treatment and warned that the prospect of the
survival of Western civilization depends on the West practicing
equality now and abandoning in the next GA its outmoded policy of
discrimination. If the US continues its old course the Iraqis expect
to see in North Africa and throughout Asia a violent reaction to old
ideologies and an increasing eagerness of these people to turn to
Communism as the only alternative to the former shining but now
corroded democratic ideal.

The development of natural resources generally came
up next for discussion although Foreign Minister Jamali and a few
others gave third place to the advancement of Fertile Crescent idea.
Our Point IV program was lightly brushed aside. The Prime Minister
said it was „nothing“ while other Ministers, generally
sympathetic, said it had had little impact to date. The more critical
complained that we had oversold the program for two years and ended
by creating a housing shortage in Baghdad to provide homes for TCA
personnel.


The openly hostile accused us of trying with
triflingPoint IV aid to bribe the Arabs to forget Palestine. But it
was the British that received the heavy fire. All of the ills of
today were laid to the reactionism of IPC and British Government. My
informants seemed to prefer to look to the past rather than the
future. They felt things were not right and so sought someone to
blame. The British and their Iraqi friends were the natural targets
and they were pounded unmercifully. The pathological unanimity of
this expression caused me to sympathize with members of Development
Board who fear that the several years necessary to complete their
major projects may not be accorded them by a people impatient for
results. It caused me to share the concern of Foreign Minister who
said that the Government has no effective propaganda machinery, that
there is not a single Arab language pro-Western newspaper in Iraq,
and therefore those who hold pro-Western views ae shy while others
who hold anti-Western views shout them out. I found that our good
works were not known or when known were interpreted by our enemies as
being undertaken for nefarious purposes.

Area defense was a subject where the chief interest
was to reject the concept of Western participation. Today neutrality
is the refuge planned against time when war clouds threaten. When
suggested that an Iraqi wartime neutrality would invite a Soviet
occupation, many Iraqis professed to prefer an untried Soviet
occupation to an actual British domination. In searching an
explanation of such unrealistic attitude I was reminded that
Mesopotamia has experienced wars from the beginning of time but never
reconstruction after a war. Moreover, in two World Wars Arabs fought
with the Allies but experienced disillusionment and felt abandoned in
the post-war periods. So area defense, which they interpret as
involvement and as inviting Soviet attack, is unpopular and will not
be embraced now as an idea. On the other hand, a MEDO in Cyprus
developing healthfully, with Iraqi Government informed of its
development on continuing basis, can have a growing fascination for
the Iraqi military and through them improve the likelihood of
eventual association of Iraqi Government.

This description points up how weak our position is
in Iraq.

In view of location of Iraq, this situation seems
serious to me, even hazardous, and cries for remedial action. I
suggest, therefore, that the Department determine whether the
situation in Iraq is characteristic of that in other Arab countries.
If it is, then we should re-examine whether the lands, manpower and
oil of Arab World are as important to us as we have thought. Assuming
that they are, I suggest that we look urgently to our plans to bring
the Arabs around to the Western outlook. From Baghdad today it seems
that surest way to accomplish this is by our Government squarely
facing two problems.

First, is the restoration of the Arabs' confidence
in American good will and good faith. A dramatic way to bring this
home to the Arabs might be by insisting on enforcement of the United
Nations resolutions on Palestine. It might also be accomplished as
effectively but less dramatically through our day by day decisions
demonstrating that our Middle East policy is as genuinely concerned
with the re-actions of the Arabs as that of the Israelis. Such action
would go far in restoring Arab faith in the UN and the US. Secondly,
is the attitude of the UK and France. To harmonize such with world
conditions today we may have to insist that the UK assume in the
Middle East the same statesmanlikle attitude it assumed in the Indian
sub-continent in 1946 and then insist that the French adopt a similar
attitude. I realize that these are heavy demands, but the Middle East
is a great prize. Whether gaining it is worth risking taking this
suggested position with Israel, the UK and France only the Department
can decide, but from here it is very clear that until the US is again
respected int the Middle East for the justice of its position our
local friends will not risk raising their voices to support us. But
when we have demonstrated a policy of fairness and friendship towards
the Arab World we will have laid the foundation for rebuilding the
prestige that the United States traditionally has enjoyed in this
area.




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